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there's a whole Fleet of them look on

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the ASA

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube uh

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so this is anything that just as little

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to the United States it's a worldwide

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this is David Marler UFO researcher and

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast as always my name is Andy really

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looking forward to speaking with the

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guests that have one with me today she's

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not doing too many appearances to

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promote the upcoming book which has just

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released in the UK so I've not had a

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chance to read it fully yet but I have

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been on Amazon looking at the previews

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I've been looking at all the feedback

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and I've ordered my copy already I have

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co-author of Trinity the best kept

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secret with Jacque Valley I have Paola

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Harris but I'll be calling her Paula for

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the for the interview with Paula welcome

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to the podcast thank you Andy and yes

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I'm not doing a whole bunch I am

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exhausted and what Jack and I had agreed

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to do is do a couple together uh because

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you know uh the book is done together uh

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he based I was working on it for five

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years and then he wrote to me about the

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metal part and then when I told him

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about the story for the last four years

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we have been going back back to New

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Mexico at least three to four times a

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year so I mean that's become like a

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second home to go back on the site to

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talk to the witness to bring scientists

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down there so it's been four years so we

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agreed that you know we would do as many

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as we could I think he's really tired

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right now and I think he's also going

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back to Paris uh he has an apartment in

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Paris and he lives in San Francisco but

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Andy I'm really glad to meet you you can

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ask anything you want I will try to

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answer for me and for Jacques and uh you

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know thank you for reaching out to me

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I'm just so happy to meet you you're

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Scottish I am for my sins yet there and

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you know what I've only ever had one

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three star review on iTunes that

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complained about my accent so I'm doing

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not too bad so far so yeah in fact you

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can interview me anytime you like you

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know I love I love Ireland I love

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Scotland I've traveled not for this case

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but I'm more well known in Europe uh

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Andy because I'm Italian and from 1992

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to 2007 I was the principal and taught

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at the American overseas School of Rome

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I have an American uh connection to Rome

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in that even though I was born in Italy

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my father was a diplomat I am a teacher

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so I have a master's in education I was

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teaching Mel Gibson's kids Ursula

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andress's kids at this private school

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and that allowed me the money from my

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teaching allowed me to do the research

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because there is no money here a lot of

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it has gone on I've never been supported

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or anything so I was in Year from 1992

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to 2007. so it was all over the place I

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mean I was going to England I was going

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to Greece I was going to Switzerland I

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was in Norway I was you know it was like

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uh next door to go to these countries

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it's a little bit farther from the

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United States

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yeah it's just a bit and we've got

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listeners all over for the podcast as

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well so many of them it sounds like know

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you already given the questions we had

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in but before we get to the questions uh

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I obviously got some for you as well

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Paula so there's been a lot of interest

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and Intrigue on this book and a little

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confusion around its release and some

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changes but before we get to that can

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you just tell the listeners about the

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book and how it came to be

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all right well this is a case so when

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Jack and I did this remember this is a

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case study one case

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and I was working on it I had heard

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about it when I was living in Italy two

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little Indian boys but they're not

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Indian they're Hispanic watched a UFO

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crash command crash over their heads and

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then went up to the

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um crash uh to the craft and saw the

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three creatures the three beings and

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then they watched the cleanup or the

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recovery which took almost eight days

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and so they would be like on the Arroyo

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looking at the recovery and then when

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the soldiers who were the same soldiers

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from the atomic bomb went to the Old

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Barn Cafe to get drinks and see the

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girls they left it alone and the

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nine-year-old boy the the Remy was six

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and Jose was nine Jose went inside and

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took a piece a big piece that was a

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fastened to the wall of the craft so we

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have the location the witnesses of

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course we lost Remy in 2000 2013

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but I found a new witness so all

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together there are three Witnesses all

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children and we have the location so you

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can and we have the medal so we have and

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so I was working on it and I brought the

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whole world down there I brought mufon

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down there I brought everybody down

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um I then out of the Clear Blue Sky get

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a a an email from Jacques valet saying I

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heard you have some metal

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so Jacques who is a scientist who's

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working on meta Metals as you know and

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he was very interested in the piece the

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boy pulled off the wall but as I'm

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telling him about the case he became

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fascinated with it and as I was telling

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you we have been back to New Mexico you

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could see Jacques walking around in the

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in the fields there I'm sitting in a

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chair because I'm afraid of snakes and

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I've seen so many rattlesnakes and oh

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down there so uh he went down there uh

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um you know three to four times in four

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years so total nine years research on

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one case and when he went down there he

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um saw the framework that this all

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happened one month after the atomic bomb

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so we sat down and had a conversation

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here's the cover of the book the cover

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has Mama Grande who's an Apache Indian

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Mama Grande uh has a background uh of in

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San Antonio and he talks about the

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framework the framework which is which

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is important you can't just go down

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there do a case and walk away pick up a

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phone talk to Witnesses and do a case so

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he talks about

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what those little boys lived like I mean

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the the craft crashed on the Padilla

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property which is 80 000 Acres that is

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rented uh is leased from the Bureau of

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Land Management this it is 20 miles from

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where the bomb exploded and all this

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happened one month after the bomb

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exploded in 1945.

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so I'm gonna add one other thing and

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then we can go on to the questions there

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was no Kenneth Arnold there was no fine

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saucers there was no Roswell there were

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new newspapers there was no YouTube and

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there was no TV so when those kids saw

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the avocado shaped craft they did not

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know what they were looking at

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now you've held up the cover of the book

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and this will go out on audio format but

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then via video on YouTube in the next

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couple of weeks as well

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the the cover of the book had a little

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bit of controversy and if you could just

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explain this on Amazon for some time and

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other book websites there was a

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different cover of the book that was a

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bit simpler and it only had Jacques

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listed as the author so there was a lot

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of rumors of course of what the book was

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going to be all we knew it was called

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the best kept secret that was it there

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was no Trinity and it was just Jack what

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happened that that came down off the

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website for a day or two it was uploaded

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with the new cover and also with

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yourself attached okay well the best

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kept secret is of how to be kept secret

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if you look at the cover there's a map

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on there and he didn't want people going

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to the location before the book came out

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because then the whole the whole world

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would go down to New Mexico I mean you

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could see where it is on this map so he

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wanted a a a innocuous cover where they

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would not be studying this whole thing

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before we even got the book out plus we

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had just encountered a third Witness so

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we had to rewrite the book I think we

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redid it at least seven times uh and

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what what uh he did was he included

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Sabrina now Sabrina uh was Jose the

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nine-year-old's cousin who lived with

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the father we just found her she just

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verified all kinds of amazing things

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like she was playing with the fiber

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optics and the foil the foil long strips

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of foil that would crunch up and go back

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uh uh Jose didn't know that because he

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had no foil but the father did he went

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back to the Christ shine and picked up

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foil and the little girl that was living

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with them was playing with this so all

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this new material we had to re-release

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the book and when we re-released the

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book now that map is on there and more

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detail is on there I mean we're still

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hoping to protect the witness and the

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location so he decided let's just wait

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let's re-release it with the new

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testimony the new testimonies at least

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35 pages

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so we got a complete product now did I

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answer your question no in a recent and

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uh yes absolutely yeah that's that

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clears it up and you know this subject

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better than many and there was a lot of

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conspiracy around it was taken down

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because it was there was too big a

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secret within it but it was just a

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placeholder cover that's all we are

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saying and that's why it was and that

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that makes sense to me and I'm sure the

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listeners will appreciate that as well

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now I watched your interview with James

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from engaging the phenomenon and I would

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encourage anyone who hasn't yet to go on

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YouTube and watch that interview and

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it's got a jack on there with you during

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that interview Jacques describes the

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case as not being as sexy as Roswell and

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his own French way but for you what made

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it so compelling because all you've said

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there Paula that it's got the materials

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it's got witnesses it's got a crash you

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uh it's funny uh you know Andy you're

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using that word sexy because I was

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thinking about that all day today

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um

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you know because

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the truth is that the way you follow G

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is now the only thing that goes viral is

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60 Minutes the TV show or conspiracy

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theory or things that are being hidden

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or government cover up

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this is a case study I mean you would

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have to read it and and learn a lot

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about the history of the atomic bomb and

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uh the fact that Oppenheimer would have

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had to know the L Barn Cafe is four

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miles from this place in the Old Barn

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Cafe which is on the Pan American

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Highway was the only watering hole and

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that's even where the the kids the young

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guys that cleaned up the crash went on

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that last day that's the only place they

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could go there was a soda fountain there

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was a grocery store and behind the L

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Barn Cafe were the headquarters of the

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scientists the the Manhattan Project you

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know Oppenheimer

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um uh

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top secret guys and I asked the owners

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of that Cafe did you know what they were

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doing and they said no we thought they

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were salesmen because they came in with

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their leather

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briefcases and we thought they were

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salesmen now can you imagine keeping a

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secret that you're you're going to blow

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uh uh a an amazingly powerful weapon

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about 20 miles away and as Jacques

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explained in that other interview that

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was no test that was a regular

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uh you know bomb uh you know it wasn't a

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test it was regularly exploding a bomb

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and what they didn't do is they didn't

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tell the people so people like Jose's

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mom the nine-year-old's mom opens the

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door at three in the morning

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and she sees the light of a thousand

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suns can you imagine that describe there

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is a book called the light of a thousand

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sons and she's blinded in one eye

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and Jose is his eardrum is punctured and

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I'm not even going to go into what

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happened to the 70 000 people that

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didn't know this was going to happen

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because this is a two-fold book

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the fact that even the cattle were taken

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to Oak Ridge to be tested the fact that

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I'm sure Oppenheimer knew after the of

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the crash because he was right there and

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Oppenheimer and Einstein actually wrote

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a letter to Truman saying hey we got

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problems when we started messing with

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atomic energy because we're getting a

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lot of sightings here we're getting a

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lot of sightings what do we do now and

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logically I mean Beyond this book would

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people understand that we went into the

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nuclear age and somebody was watching

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somebody out there uh was watching and

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wanted to make a statement so who

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whatever those creatures were or

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whatever that uh crash happened I think

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was the statement to uh the um starting

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of the nuclear age I think when you

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start to explode a bomb in our Dimension

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there's no way it doesn't affect other

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dimensions there's no way

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and um you know we went on and I did

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research in Italy on this this was one

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of the most dangerous stories I ever did

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I went on to interview people in the

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Pacific that were working on the h-bomb

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which was much more powerful than the

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A-bomb that's the only time they ever

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came into my apartment on the seventh

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floor in Rome and took everything

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including the film footage and stole 20

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000 euro worth of materials from my

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house

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I uh you know the man that I was

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interviewing at the time was a French

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Geo uh physicist who was on the island

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of fungatofa and saw the UFOs fly over

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on two different occasions so let me

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assure you somebody is watching

347
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now you said very concisely there that

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someone is watching yourself and Jack

349
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have said in previous interviews that

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this was a response or a message from

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that explosion now the time frame for me

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is interesting that it was one month

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after that explosion that nuclear

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explosion that this object appeared to

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have crashed now do you feel there's any

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significance to the fact it was one

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month had passed or is that one month

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has passed for us but when you mention

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different dimensions is it a case that

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it wasn't necessarily a month that's

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passed for the beings or the object

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well Andy you're texting me now you're

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making me think I never thought about

364
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that I never thought about that really I

365
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will tell you that there's some really

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weird things about this case and that

367
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they only appeared to children

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little kids so the one and so the little

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kids they're little kids they're six and

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nine and of course Jose by that time was

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driving a truck he was delivering

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hamburger to the owl barn Cafe he had

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his own horse so did Remy they were

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fixing windmills they were fixing fences

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in those days that the kids were part of

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the ranch from from when they were tiny

377
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tiny and Sabrina was telling me too she

378
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said she'd take a walk she'd go over to

379
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the crash site was all burned she said

380
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the vegetation but the vegetation after

381
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70 years has not come back they used to

382
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that was mesquite trees were like four

383
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to five feet high now they're like one

384
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foot high so the fact that number one we

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could have Disturbed the dimension and

386
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maybe it was uh you know a response

387
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number two that they appeared to

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children in other words children when

389
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those two kids saw the crash come over

390
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over their head I mean it took out part

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of a radio tower they were it was it was

392
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a thunderstorm so they had stopped you

393
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can read the book in detail they both

394
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told me the same story they do not live

395
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close to each other after all those

396
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years but they told me the same story

397
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they stopped they saw the thunderstorm

398
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the craft came in took out a piece of

399
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the radio tower and landed you know took

400
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an L shape and landed and stopped to

401
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where a berm was but it was fully

402
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powered and when they went up there with

403
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their little binoculars you know I think

404
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it was like 500 feet away they stood and

405
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watch those beings for almost an hour an

406
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hour and a half like they're watching

407
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these creatures going you know uh Jose

408
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said they were sashaying which means

409
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they were kind of floating they'd appear

410
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here and then they appear there there

411
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were three of them and then Jose felt

412
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that they were crying he said it was

413
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like a screeching baby and he wanted to

414
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go in and help he said they're hurt

415
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they're hurt he kept saying they're hurt

416
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this is a response of children it

417
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wouldn't be a response of adults

418
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I also would go in there with a rifle

419
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and just kill them all because we

420
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finished the whole thing you know but

421
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these kids are they're not used to

422
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seeing anything like this

423
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and then the six-year-old later on told

424
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me that uh before dying that he had a

425
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vision that they had given him of people

426
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falling out of a skyscraper and he's

427
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never seen skyscrapers because he was

428
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living in New Mexico

429
00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:01,880
now that sounds awful lot like 911 to me

430
00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:05,160
so you know we've got communication

431
00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:07,340
psychic communication with these kids

432
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and their kids

433
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now we've got a craft that is either

434
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flying a great distance or traveling a

435
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distance through Dimension space

436
00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:19,260
whatever it may be we're not sure

437
00:19:24,169 --> 00:19:21,720
how does it still come to crash and

438
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inverted commas and or even make contact

439
00:19:30,049 --> 00:19:27,179
with a radio tower given what must be an

440
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incredibly advanced technology well you

441
00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:33,120
know even with Roswell the storms in New

442
00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:35,400
Mexico are like nothing I've ever seen

443
00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:37,020
nothing

444
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um

445
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the thunder and lightning is just

446
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terrible and I've been in Mexico soft

447
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and I've been to Roswell and so forth

448
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and also with the Roswell crash it was a

449
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:49,740
storm however I think where you're going

450
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Andy is was it done on purpose

451
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um yeah and I you know

452
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I can't tell you that because I don't

453
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know that you don't know that but that's

454
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a great question was it done on purpose

455
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so we would report about it um

456
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so it catch our attention I do know that

457
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that particular case did not go into the

458
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Blue Book files where it went is into

459
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the files of the atomic energy

460
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commission which is what was going on

461
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down there and I know that because Remy

462
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worked for the governor of Washington

463
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state he was a Gig Harbor who's her name

464
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was Dixie Lee and he helped get her

465
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elected to to governorship so to thank

466
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him

467
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head of the atomic energy commission

468
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stuff and and uh Washington State and

469
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if you know anything and and you listen

470
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to I think that Jacques talked about

471
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this and James's the atomic energy

472
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commission does not answer to the

473
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president

474
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uh that's one of the the agencies that

475
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you know unless you have a need to know

476
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um but may I encourage people because

477
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you work together that they also see

478
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James's

479
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um you know interview with Jacques

480
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because I think he said that um however

481
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I found out about that because Remy told

482
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me that he said oh well she thanked me

483
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she let me see my case uh you know and

484
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it would never have gone into the air

485
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force there was no air force it was Army

486
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Air Force in 1945 it would never go into

487
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Blue Book because it was I didn't start

488
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that then so where's it gonna go uh and

489
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as far as taking the the craft to write

490
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Patterson we think they took it to Los

491
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Alamos

492
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and as would you say this was the first

493
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known crash of an a craft from somewhere

494
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else especially on on that type of land

495
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obviously we know about Roswell not just

496
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not too soon after but was this the

497
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first time that the the Army had dealt

498
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with anything like this

499
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no because I you know I I I read uh uh

500
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books on my colleagues books I'm the

501
00:22:00,529 --> 00:21:58,020
only one Ryan wood wrote an incredible

502
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,539
book called Magic Eyes Only I don't have

503
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,600
it here and it's got 93 crashes and he

504
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has Cape Girardeau I think crash as

505
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being the first one and that's way

506
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before and I think there was a crash in

507
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Texas and that's way before it was even

508
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in the 1800s this one was the first one

509
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that we have enough information to deal

510
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with the Cape Girardeau they have like I

511
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think torn up road or they have pieces

512
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we have witnesses we have the location

513
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and we have the metal so we this is the

514
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first crash before Roswell where we have

515
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everything Roswell

516
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yeah we have witnesses but it wasn't in

517
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other words they wouldn't or those

518
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Witnesses weren't there when it crashed

519
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they have witnesses to the recovery

520
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these kids were there when it crash and

521
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they watched their recovery for it took

522
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a long time in fact they had to put it

523
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on a flatbed truck an 18-wheeler because

524
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there's an overpass near there and they

525
00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:02,640
had to get it through the overpass so to

526
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get it out so so

527
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um I'm sorry my phone is ringing but uh

528
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it will just let it that's all right

529
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:15,179
okay uh so you've mentioned you've

530
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,980
mentioned the meth the metal a few times

531
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uh yeah did you want to talk about the

532
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:20,940
metal itself and tell the listeners

533
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,400
about its properties what your

534
00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:25,679
experiences are with the metal

535
00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:29,400
so that's Jacques uh Forte what had

536
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:32,700
happened was that I was working with

537
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um uh Jose and he had mentioned this is

538
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in the book they saw one little piece of

539
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:42,240
foil so Rami took it as a souvenir and

540
00:23:46,909 --> 00:23:45,179
they fixed a windmill with it later so I

541
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said oh my God you know the foil's gone

542
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then I find Sabrina had a long strips of

543
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:51,720
it and her in the grandfather's house so

544
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:53,159
you must have gone back and got it

545
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:55,380
because she thought it was toys they

546
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:57,900
didn't have slinkies back then so she's

547
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,020
got these long strips of foil and she's

548
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:02,880
scrunching up and then it goes back to

549
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,340
it's this is in 1950 like 1950 and and

550
00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:10,320
of course we asked where it all was in

551
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:12,120
70 years have passed so we don't know

552
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,740
where it is

553
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:16,559
um and the piece that

554
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:18,900
um uh that Jose went in there to get

555
00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:21,419
because they wanted a tezada in those

556
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,580
days they wanted a souvenir they knew

557
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:25,200
what they saw but they go let's take a

558
00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:28,679
souvenir group but you know he was even

559
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,799
today you know Jose uh went to the

560
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:33,840
Korean War at 17 years old and then

561
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,960
became a state trooper and in uh in

562
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:38,880
California where he was even shot at

563
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,480
Jose has no uh fear of anything he went

564
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:44,820
in there he took a crowbar and the only

565
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,539
thing on the wall was this piece so he

566
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:50,880
just pulled it out it was like locked in

567
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,960
with a pin and it was like more of a

568
00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:56,640
snap-in thing there were no nails or

569
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,980
anything it was more snapping

570
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:01,440
and he took it and they hid it under the

571
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:03,240
floorboards and they hid it under the

572
00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:04,740
floorboards of the sheep herder and then

573
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:06,659
later they had to move it because the

574
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:08,340
Army came and asked if the kids had

575
00:25:13,549 --> 00:25:11,460
stolen anything had taken anything

576
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:13,559
there's a couple of funny things about

577
00:25:18,289 --> 00:25:16,380
this case first of all the Army asked Mr

578
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:18,299
Padilla the father if they could cut the

579
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,740
gate because they were taking out a

580
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,080
weather balloon and it wasn't the gate

581
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:25,440
was too narrow so even now you can see

582
00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:28,200
where they cut the gate to take out the

583
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,640
weather balloon but the father and Jose

584
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:34,140
went to the bunk house and gave them

585
00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:35,880
back all the weather balloons they had

586
00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:38,600
collected while they were riding around

587
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,100
on their horses because they returned

588
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:43,500
them to the Army so they knew this is no

589
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,480
other balloon ears you know here's all

590
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:47,400
the ones we got for you guys you want it

591
00:25:52,330 --> 00:25:50,220
back you know and this thing was like I

592
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:52,340
think Jacques said it was like five tons

593
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:56,220
so there's no other balloon so they made

594
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,240
a road especially to take it out and the

595
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:02,700
piece itself was hidden for many years

596
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,360
and after I had worked on it for five

597
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:08,880
years Jose gave it to me I put it in a

598
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:11,159
safe deposit box by the time Jacques got

599
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,279
to me a I just gave it to him I said

600
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:16,320
look take this to a university and go

601
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:19,380
analyze it and it is a kind of aluminum

602
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:22,860
I think he called it selenium us uh uh

603
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:25,559
there is a name it's in the book and I

604
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:28,980
think he he also says what it is uh and

605
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:32,700
and it looks like a terrestrial piece it

606
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,360
is not a piece of a windmill although it

607
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:38,220
resembles that I went to a run Mill

608
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:40,740
Factory I did the interview with the

609
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,340
owner who zoned it for like 80 years he

610
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:46,380
said that is not a piece of any windmill

611
00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:48,779
or any because the windmill Factory is

612
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:50,600
actually a warehouse you can buy pieces

613
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:54,299
it was not it is not and windmill pieces

614
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,960
are cast iron this thing's aluminum so

615
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:00,360
um are they still studying it yes is it

616
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,460
in the hands of a university yes is it

617
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:05,039
in the hands of scientists yes it's been

618
00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:08,760
studied in Australia they did in fact uh

619
00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:10,679
James Rainey that worked on this with me

620
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,120
uh has permission to release the the

621
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,440
analysis in Australia because a lot of

622
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:18,840
people worked on this with me

623
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:21,779
um and could there be rare properties we

624
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:24,360
don't know we don't know yet but it was

625
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:26,100
inside the craft

626
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,860
now were there any issues and I don't

627
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:30,240
want to go into too much detail because

628
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:31,740
we want people to go and read the book

629
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,480
and get the detail for themselves and

630
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,120
see that picture in their head however

631
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,740
the the kids when they picked up this

632
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:40,020
metal were there any issues with

633
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,059
exposure to radiation they picked up

634
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,640
from it or did they have any LFX and and

635
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:47,279
soon after or later life

636
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:50,220
no they had ill effects from the bomb no

637
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:51,960
they had their radiation that came I

638
00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:53,820
mean it is

639
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,659
20 miles from Ground Zero San Antonio is

640
00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:00,480
20 miles from Ground Zero you can see

641
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:02,520
where they exploded the bomb from that

642
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:03,480
land

643
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,679
it is from Trinity now the the problems

644
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,720
they have came from the bomb not from

645
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,279
the Craft

646
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:13,919
um did they ever see the beings again no

647
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,440
because the next day see the boys wet

648
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,419
and told the father and the father and

649
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,820
Sheriff Apodaca they waited a day then

650
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,320
they went and they saw that the craft

651
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,720
was there it had been covered by brush

652
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:26,880
because I think they were trying to hide

653
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,820
at the Army and they went inside they

654
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,159
went inside I mean they walked around in

655
00:28:39,529 --> 00:28:35,159
there and since Faustino and Sheriff

656
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,539
Apodaca are missed are now uh dead we

657
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:41,760
can't really talk to them

658
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:46,559
I know that Jose is uh his relatives or

659
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,320
relatives of Milani zamoras and you know

660
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:51,840
the Lonnie Zamora case which heinek

661
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:54,539
worked on is down the street it's very

662
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:58,020
close and that also had to do with an

663
00:29:02,269 --> 00:29:00,360
egg-shaped craft because this craft was

664
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:02,279
not a flying saucer it was avocado

665
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:04,260
shaped

666
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,919
um

667
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:07,919
and you know Jose everybody's relatives

668
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:10,260
with everybody there I mean it's like

669
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:13,020
small town I spent so much there time

670
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:14,640
there that I know everybody and

671
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,220
everybody knows jock and me and we go to

672
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,679
lunch with everybody and it's that kind

673
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:21,600
of situation

674
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:23,700
um but the Lani Zamora case is also

675
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:25,260
covered in this book

676
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,679
and the valsol case in France because

677
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:30,960
they are all very similar so what

678
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:33,539
Jacques looks for is patterns so the

679
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,020
book itself is written by a very

680
00:29:42,909 --> 00:29:39,659
wonderful writer who's able to find

681
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:42,919
patterns and has an incredible style

682
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:46,440
my job uh quite frankly was just to do

683
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:49,980
the interviews I had piled up the

684
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:53,340
interviews and audio tape uh before I

685
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,260
even started working with Jacques so I

686
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,360
the audio tape and the transcripts so he

687
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,760
just basically reread all the

688
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,740
transcripts tried to put them in some

689
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:04,140
kind of order and put them in the book

690
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:08,940
to describe what happened and you're on

691
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,120
Jack's research were there any remorse

692
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,220
or conjecture as to what may have

693
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:16,080
happened with the beings this was

694
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,640
something quite a few listeners asked me

695
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:19,679
to follow up on as well that as you see

696
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:21,179
the kids went the next day and the

697
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,580
beings were gone was that a case that

698
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:25,020
they you know they've just disappeared

699
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,480
that no one knows or whether were they

700
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:28,559
taken

701
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,020
well I can only tell you this is just me

702
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:33,419
this is Paula Harris since I uh

703
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,399
published and dealt with Clifford Stone

704
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:36,960
for many years and that was crash

705
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:39,419
retrieval and Clifford Zone just died

706
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,880
before he died I went to Roswell who

707
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:42,960
lived in

708
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:46,320
Roswell and I asked him about what

709
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,320
happened to the beings in his particular

710
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:52,320
situation he did 12 retrievals

711
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:55,380
recoveries and he said that they came

712
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:57,059
and got their own sometimes they left

713
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:58,860
the bodies out there and they came and

714
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:00,120
got their own

715
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:02,580
I said you're kidding and he goes I said

716
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,140
you mean you didn't like pack the bodies

717
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:05,760
and take him to write he said no

718
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,580
sometimes we made an agreement we would

719
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:10,559
leave the bodies there and they would

720
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,059
come and get their own

721
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,179
and I and we have to ask about those

722
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:17,580
bodies you know the description they

723
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:20,100
could be an advanced form of artificial

724
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:23,880
intelligence of a clone they were uh you

725
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:26,520
know uh tall gray no they weren't tall

726
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:29,520
they were uh three feet tall but they

727
00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:32,520
were gray kind of insectoid looking

728
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:34,860
because they had long arms in fact Jose

729
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:37,260
said they they look like a standing up

730
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:41,940
fire ant teardrop eyes and gray outfit

731
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,520
or gray uh bodysuit and you know they

732
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,679
could have been some kind of Clone or

733
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:52,200
some kind of artificial intelligence or

734
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:54,600
whatever but whatever they were they did

735
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,320
interact with the kids they did since

736
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,840
Jose felt he had a he wanted to go in

737
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,000
there and help them he said he wasn't

738
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:05,340
afraid he just he was very confused

739
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,720
because they looked like children like

740
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,880
they did and he wanted to go in and give

741
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:10,559
and give him a hand but the six-year-old

742
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,559
began to cry but he said Remy began to

743
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,840
cry too because his eyes hurt because

744
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:17,700
when you have burning mosquito all

745
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:20,700
around it's an uncomfortable uh

746
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:24,480
situation it's smoke and Mesquite and

747
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:28,020
um so but Jose says to me he's kidding

748
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:30,120
all the time he says Paula if I'd gone

749
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,100
in there you probably wouldn't see me

750
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,080
today I wouldn't be around to tell the

751
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,720
story and I said oh say that would be a

752
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,179
big shame because I I just love Jose's

753
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,720
in his 80s he's got what he's got I

754
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:44,159
can't believe it is a photographic

755
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:46,140
memory he can remember the day you ask

756
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:47,880
him if it's a tour it's a Thursday

757
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,260
Tuesday I mean he he looks up and he

758
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,840
remembers details that I could never and

759
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,640
I don't even know what I was doing when

760
00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:57,840
I was nine

761
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,179
he knows knows everything he knows who

762
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,600
he spoke to he knows everything so we

763
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:06,480
have in this book a photographic memory

764
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:09,179
uh and then we have the other testimony

765
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,679
of Remy

766
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:13,679
now some classic cases over the years

767
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:16,260
parts of the story have changed now and

768
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,220
again

769
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,679
um do you agree that with those that say

770
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,539
this is no exception that there has been

771
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:23,220
some details that have changed or not

772
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:26,039
and I'll just give you a quick quote so

773
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:28,919
on Grant Cameron 60 minutes after show

774
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:30,840
panel this was sent in by one of the

775
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:32,940
listeners uh Roswell researcher Don

776
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,159
Schmidt claimed that he was approached

777
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:37,919
by one of the witnesses 25 years ago and

778
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,659
was given an entirely different account

779
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,480
and he believes it's been changed now

780
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,880
and he would want to know why do you

781
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:46,380
agree with that or would you totally

782
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:47,820
refute that

783
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,580
I disagree because they were kids

784
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:53,100
they're all children they they couldn't

785
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:55,140
make it up if they tried I mean you know

786
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,760
there was no frame of reference there's

787
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:58,440
no TV there's no YouTube there's no

788
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,159
nothing there's uh no nothing has

789
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,279
changed uh they may I don't know I'm

790
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,679
trying to remember the only thing I

791
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:09,839
think Jose told me he picked up that

792
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:10,740
would be

793
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:14,460
saying it's late 90s one of the

794
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,020
witnesses approached him so they would

795
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:19,919
have been what 50s at that point

796
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:22,139
um and had given them an account that

797
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:24,359
was different to now I don't have any

798
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,980
more details than that but that was what

799
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,320
Dawn claimed on Grand Cameron's panel

800
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,659
the kids never changed their story ever

801
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:32,879
I mean things like because they told me

802
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,159
he picked he picked up the uh the the

803
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:38,720
piece of uh we call it foil and then

804
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,399
Remy says he picked up the piece of foil

805
00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:43,200
but it's still a piece of foil it

806
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:46,139
doesn't matter who picked it up he they

807
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:48,359
picked up a piece of foil piece of foils

808
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:50,040
picked up one says he picked it up the

809
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:52,500
other one says he picked it up those are

810
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,500
details that are ridiculous that may

811
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:57,540
change but there was a piece of oil they

812
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:00,300
picked up so we know that for sure in

813
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:04,020
all the time and I have both of them on

814
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:06,380
video from

815
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:11,160
2000 and well let's see I did it 2013 on

816
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:13,980
they I have video of them off and on

817
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:16,980
nothing's changed but again I'm saying

818
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,320
there's no case with kids

819
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,359
what children with with nine-year-old

820
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:23,460
that is very sophisticated and a

821
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,560
six-year-old that is very sophisticated

822
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:27,359
because in those days they had to take

823
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:29,099
care of the ranch they were like the men

824
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,859
of the family the men had gone to war

825
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:35,040
there is no case like this it isn't like

826
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:36,380
you know

827
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:40,619
they lived it it was their reality so

828
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,140
they can't change it because they lived

829
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:45,599
it you know it's it's what they remember

830
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:48,420
from and it's funny because when they're

831
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:50,099
telling you that they're reliving it

832
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,460
again uh they they certainly weren't

833
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,160
making it up it was traumatic for them

834
00:36:02,210 --> 00:35:58,980
but the thing on a psychological level

835
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:02,220
is they had nothing to compare it to

836
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:05,640
there was nothing there was no you know

837
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:07,380
Kenneth Arnold was two years later with

838
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,500
flying saucers and uh Roswell was two

839
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:12,780
years later and there's no magazines and

840
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:15,660
there's no TV and they just thought it

841
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:17,160
was a plane crash but it was not an

842
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,839
airplane

843
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,880
I think when it comes to Witnesses just

844
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:23,160
my personal when it comes to those

845
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:25,079
little details what I've always got to

846
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,760
say is I've not spoken to any of these

847
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,920
Witnesses for any cases so I don't know

848
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,020
but if you look back at my my wedding

849
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:33,359
was eight years ago and if you ask me to

850
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,980
recall the day of the wedding I can

851
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,200
remember bits and pieces if you ask my

852
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,540
wife to recall the same wedding she will

853
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:41,520
remember the same stuff but there might

854
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,859
be little bits and pieces that I think I

855
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:46,320
done or I remember I gave this cake to

856
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:48,300
such and such and she would say no I've

857
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,220
done that it's not that we're lying

858
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,839
we're just remembering it slightly

859
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:53,520
differently because as time passes

860
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,560
that's what happens and that's not to

861
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:57,599
justify in the past when people have

862
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:59,460
lied about these things but it's very

863
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:01,740
easily done and it can happen so that's

864
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,920
why I'm I never poo poo a case based on

865
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:07,440
a very small detail changing because I

866
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,480
think if anything it's harder to keep

867
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,480
our story straight with so many specific

868
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,700
details it's natural that these things

869
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,800
change very slightly so that's just food

870
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:18,480
for thought for people yeah but let me

871
00:37:25,089 --> 00:37:21,540
tell you historically this is not a UFO

872
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:25,099
book this is history book so uh because

873
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:28,859
Remy at that time had diabetes uh I

874
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:30,540
could not get film footage but who got

875
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:33,000
film footage with Swiss television they

876
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,920
went and flew to Gig Harbor High

877
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:37,320
Definition television interview

878
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:41,099
so I care that we have two

879
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,180
versions so being you know Italian I

880
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:47,520
went and spoke I spoke in Northern Italy

881
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:50,460
and Turin and I got on a pla on a train

882
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:52,980
in Milano and I went past like come over

883
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:54,660
George Clooney lives and I went to

884
00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:57,420
Lugano I got the film footage I have it

885
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:00,780
here anything that we do we have both

886
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:03,540
Witnesses I cannot do a story with one

887
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,880
witness but that's a lot of trouble for

888
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:08,400
me and a lot of money out of my pocket

889
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:10,200
to be able to go traveling to get the

890
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:13,740
film footage of the original uh other

891
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:17,160
person because we need both plus rummy

892
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:20,220
wrote a book called a born at the edge

893
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:23,820
uh uh uh born in ground zero on the edge

894
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:26,280
of Area 51 or something that you can't

895
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:28,920
get anymore so Jacques took that book

896
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:32,640
his own memories of Remy's own memories

897
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,820
his own words so there is it's like word

898
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:37,920
for word what these kids said it's not

899
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:40,680
our interpretation of any of it it's

900
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:43,380
them it's their story

901
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:46,680
uh framework around what was going on at

902
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:49,320
the time I really care that people

903
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,140
understand this is a history book

904
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,760
something happened when the atomic bomb

905
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:55,619
exploded

906
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,040
it it affected the whole town

907
00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:01,859
but I I feel that it's more of a history

908
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,420
book than a UFO book and because an

909
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:08,640
incident happened that I think has

910
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:11,339
extraordinary significance for Humanity

911
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,220
and I care more about that than I do

912
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,040
about like the metal but Jacques cares

913
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,200
about all of it he cares about the metal

914
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:22,200
too but I care about the statement that

915
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:23,339
was made

916
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:25,320
uh you mentioned the children and how

917
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:26,760
unique that is that and there's an

918
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,400
innocence to a child's recollection of

919
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,440
an event because it tends to be very

920
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,660
truthful and we've got like the aerial

921
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:36,480
school for phenomena event that happened

922
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,859
and that was documented in the

923
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,320
phenomenon documentary what do you think

924
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,020
the significances of these objects and

925
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:45,839
beings like this appearing near or next

926
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,160
to children

927
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:50,400
that's an incredible a question Andy

928
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:53,820
because every time I see the aerial plus

929
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:56,940
the West doll and I have James Fox with

930
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:01,020
that uh uh I I knew James ringnia put

931
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:03,660
them together he did the Australian case

932
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,599
because of me I I consulted so many

933
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:09,119
films if you look at even Steven Greer's

934
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:11,940
films I I do a lot of Consulting for me

935
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:14,460
the most moving part of those movies are

936
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:15,540
the kids

937
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,599
I mean the end of uh uh the the the the

938
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,599
aerial case and the phenomena oh my God

939
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:23,940
I mean those children aren't making

940
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:27,180
anything up they don't even know how to

941
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:28,140
get

942
00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:29,940
they don't even know how to express what

943
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,339
they saw poor kids I mean I'm watching

944
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,440
them draw these things like it seems

945
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,900
like they're very honest that's what

946
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:38,820
they saw they they're gonna draw them

947
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:41,640
exactly what they saw and this case

948
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,859
their children too and their children

949
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,380
they're going to draw exactly what it

950
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,720
looked like to them even if they are in

951
00:40:55,150 --> 00:40:51,480
their 70s and 80s this is what they saw

952
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:55,160
no what's that ability to retail

953
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,020
accurately and truthfully we touched

954
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:00,480
earlier on the potential that these

955
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,060
incidents aren't crashes and that they

956
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,160
may happen deliberately I would just

957
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:07,500
like you Paula to quickly touch on what

958
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:10,140
the gifting field is for people that may

959
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,180
or may not have heard of that term

960
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:14,880
I I don't know what that term is if you

961
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,240
wanted to oh so the field the gift yes

962
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,460
you're the gifting yeah sorry I think

963
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:22,380
that was my bad Scottish accent yeah no

964
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:23,460
gifting

965
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,420
um

966
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:26,880
you know I've been thinking about this a

967
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,180
lot because then you know I sat down and

968
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:32,520
I said

969
00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:35,160
you know these kids first of all the

970
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,079
first time that story was told was told

971
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,119
to Timothy good it's in Timothy Good's

972
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:41,520
book and Jacques even mentioned the book

973
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,280
it's in so Timothy good who I consider

974
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,560
one of the best if not the best

975
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:49,020
researcher on the planet because he does

976
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:51,780
feel research he goes to the place went

977
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:53,700
to Gig Harbor Washington and talked to

978
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:56,940
Remy and it's in his book and he's also

979
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:58,380
got metal

980
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,140
um uh analysis in his book

981
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:05,040
and then Ryan wood put it in his book a

982
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,339
magic Eyes Only and then I get there

983
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:10,440
and then Jack gets there

984
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,900
and I'm thinking to myself do those

985
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:15,660
beings know what we were gonna do

986
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:21,240
did those beings know that whatever was

987
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:24,300
you know that action back and if there

988
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,820
was no time and space did could they

989
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:28,640
have

990
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,339
known that eventually this would come

991
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:34,440
out and it would talk about the atomic

992
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:35,280
bomb

993
00:42:40,930 --> 00:42:39,140
as being one of the

994
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:40,940
changing

995
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:44,099
historical events for this planet

996
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,640
and that we ought to look at the damage

997
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,640
that nuclear has done could they have

998
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:54,000
known that we would do this

999
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:56,040
that we would do this book because it's

1000
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:57,780
going to make people think that's for

1001
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:00,960
sure the idea that we are playing with

1002
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:03,660
nuclear and playing kind of a chess game

1003
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:07,079
that no one will win the only way we can

1004
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:10,200
do these War Games is to checkmate

1005
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:12,359
you know I got it you got it we

1006
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,560
checkmate

1007
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:15,480
we can't put the genie back in the

1008
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:17,940
bottle we can't uninvent and the atomic

1009
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:22,619
bomb was not as bad as the h-bomb which

1010
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:24,599
you know when I told you I had those

1011
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:28,140
problems uh with that story

1012
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:30,900
and he was French there was 800 each

1013
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,900
bomb tests done in the Pacific 800 and

1014
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:36,119
we did more America did them in the

1015
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:40,319
Atlantic this is insanity I'm not

1016
00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:41,880
surprised somebody's flying over the

1017
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,859
h-bomb testing

1018
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,780
because we're killing all the fish and

1019
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,400
all the coral and all the oceans and all

1020
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,920
this stuff I mean there's a message here

1021
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,140
are you people insane

1022
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,660
and and you can't put nuclear back in

1023
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,400
the bottle I mean you can I mean once

1024
00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:58,380
it's out there and everybody will say

1025
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:00,540
well we needed to do that to stop World

1026
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,000
War II especially Jacques is brilliant

1027
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,240
about talking about the uh Japanese the

1028
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,680
Japan

1029
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,900
um surrender and how we had to do that

1030
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,579
with not because he's brilliant because

1031
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:12,960
he read all the books and then I would

1032
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:15,000
read them he'd say did you read children

1033
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:16,980
of Trinity and I said no and I'd buy it

1034
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:19,079
and they say did you read this and and

1035
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:21,000
I'd say no and he got all the details

1036
00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:23,880
and I'd buy the book so that's one I

1037
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,339
want to tell your your viewers this for

1038
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,440
me Isn't a UFO book this is like what

1039
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:30,960
the heck are we doing on this planet

1040
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,540
and uh what are we doing and it can't

1041
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,180
get any better uh because you know the

1042
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:38,640
weapons are more sophisticated and

1043
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:41,940
they're worse and so whatever was

1044
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:45,480
watching back then is it watching now

1045
00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:49,440
I mean is it watching the insanity now I

1046
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:50,819
mean

1047
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,880
you know those beings they they actually

1048
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:56,280
communicated mentally with the kids in

1049
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:58,920
that they

1050
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,800
you know looked at them for at least an

1051
00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:04,200
hour I mean it isn't like the the

1052
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:06,119
glimpsed at them they were communicating

1053
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,480
and then those kids consequently come to

1054
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:11,579
us and we do the story

1055
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:13,020
I think you've answered what was going

1056
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,940
to be my next question is what do you

1057
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,500
want people to take away from the book

1058
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:18,780
but what I'd like to ask is what place

1059
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:21,480
does this event the Trinity event have

1060
00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:24,780
for you now within the UFO lower or

1061
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:26,700
history as you say

1062
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,460
well it's probably the most complete

1063
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:31,680
story I've ever done nine years is a

1064
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:34,680
long time and if Jacques and I if Jack

1065
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:38,339
hadn't come on board and we had talked

1066
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:40,500
about it and I really want to encourage

1067
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:42,420
people to work together

1068
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,579
I mean it would have been nice to follow

1069
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,619
the Roswell researchers will work

1070
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,540
together at a table and put together the

1071
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:50,640
Mosaic and everybody all the researchers

1072
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:52,200
will work together

1073
00:45:56,569 --> 00:45:54,359
it wasn't until he came along that I

1074
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:56,579
even saw what was going on because he

1075
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,339
had the framework he had the framework I

1076
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,920
had the details he had the framework he

1077
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:04,319
said you you have the the colors and I

1078
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,400
have the canvas and we did it and the if

1079
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,319
I hadn't kept going if we hadn't kept

1080
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:12,240
going uh

1081
00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:14,220
four months ago I would have never found

1082
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,440
the third witness and it happened by

1083
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:18,480
accident we were sitting Jacques and I

1084
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:22,020
were outside sitting at Jose's he has

1085
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:24,300
like a mobile home and Jose was talking

1086
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:26,280
about the old days he's got a

1087
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:28,020
photographic memory he knows everybody

1088
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,540
else name who died and who had five kids

1089
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:32,760
and all this we're listening to all of

1090
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:35,339
this and then all at once he says well

1091
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:37,319
my niece was with my father living with

1092
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,260
my father and mother and she saw the

1093
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:41,760
fiber optics

1094
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,300
and I said what and where's your niece

1095
00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:47,760
and he said Los Angeles and Jack and I

1096
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,560
looked at each other and we said is she

1097
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:51,359
still alive and he said yes

1098
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:53,579
so we flew to Los Angeles to question

1099
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,140
her and she had a story that that even

1100
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:00,240
Jose didn't know about

1101
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:03,960
she I mean she was in the house so we

1102
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:06,359
found out that at seven years old the

1103
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:07,800
father went back out there and got other

1104
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:11,099
stuff that Jose didn't know he had done

1105
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:13,800
so we're going oh my God if we hadn't

1106
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:15,180
like

1107
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:18,300
kept going on this story we would have

1108
00:47:22,809 --> 00:47:20,700
never found the third witness so

1109
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:22,819
research is not one and a half years

1110
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:25,859
we're a nine year mark here the nine

1111
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:27,780
year and then Jack keeps saying I said

1112
00:47:33,550 --> 00:47:30,300
well what's over we've written the book

1113
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:33,560
everything's he goes no no it's not over

1114
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:36,180
we we don't know what's going to come

1115
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:39,660
out of the woodwork so research real

1116
00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:42,300
field research not gossip but when

1117
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,339
you're getting here you have to worry

1118
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:47,220
about snakes we even dug we I mean I

1119
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:48,660
know can't even tell you how many snakes

1120
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:51,960
I I mean the whole New Mexico I've been

1121
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,140
to Ground Zero twice it's only open once

1122
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,599
a year and I've been you know I went in

1123
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,480
there there's a a black monolith where

1124
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:02,700
they exploded the bomb and when I went

1125
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,819
in there for the first time the the sand

1126
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:08,640
was all green because a green glass

1127
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:12,240
because it had fused with the power of

1128
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:16,319
that radiation it became fused it looked

1129
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,520
like

1130
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:19,920
um emeralds all over the ground the

1131
00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:22,140
second time when I went with Jacques it

1132
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:23,819
was there wasn't that much of it there

1133
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:27,420
but you live you live the life of the uh

1134
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:30,540
Atomic Testing there you'll you can see

1135
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:33,420
Oppenheimer you can see those scientists

1136
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,339
trying to figure out what's going on you

1137
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:37,560
can see the the McDonald I think it was

1138
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,300
called the McDonald farm that they put

1139
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,280
there to see how it would blow you can

1140
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,920
feel it in fact at a certain point the

1141
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:45,839
dust was so heavy and I didn't feel well

1142
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:50,280
I had to ask to leave but again Andy the

1143
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:52,680
thing about this book you asked me about

1144
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,040
is I lived this case

1145
00:49:03,829 --> 00:48:59,599
and this case changed the world

1146
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,839
it showed us that somebody is interested

1147
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,760
and I'm not going to say who it is I

1148
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:07,859
don't know what the story is with ETS or

1149
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:10,859
anything but somebody was watching so if

1150
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:14,819
somebody's watching here in 1945 I'm

1151
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:16,980
convinced somebody's watching

1152
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:18,900
everywhere

1153
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:20,700
well listen that probably moves us on

1154
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:22,020
nicely just before listening our

1155
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:24,300
questions for me to ask the books came

1156
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,760
out an incredibly opportune time one

1157
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,560
that I doubt you could have predicted

1158
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:30,839
unless yourself or Jacques had some

1159
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:33,180
foresight just in the last week or two

1160
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,099
we've had a lot of mainstream media

1161
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:37,859
coverage of the subject the topic Louise

1162
00:49:43,069 --> 00:49:40,619
Elizondo Chris melon um Alex Dietrich

1163
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:43,079
David fravor Ryan Graves have been on 60

1164
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,500
Minutes CBS News uh various different

1165
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:48,240
shows around the world

1166
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:51,000
how do you feel the book coming out now

1167
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:54,060
fets in with with what's going on do you

1168
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:55,740
feel it accompanies and it's coming out

1169
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,540
at a good time or do you feel this has

1170
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:59,520
its separate place

1171
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:01,800
well I'd like to deviate from that

1172
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,680
question about I don't understand why

1173
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:06,960
sightings whether they be next to an

1174
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,300
aircraft carrier or anything

1175
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,700
well we know this is real I don't think

1176
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:13,200
disclosure needs to come out of any

1177
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:15,480
government agency

1178
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,980
um especially if you've been in the

1179
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,720
field like 40 years like I have I've

1180
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,119
covered so many stories you name it I've

1181
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:22,800
been all over the map in Latin America

1182
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:25,619
for me is the most fertile ground

1183
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:26,460
um

1184
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:28,980
60 years ago we had Kenneth Arnold

1185
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,619
seeing you know craft over Mount Rainier

1186
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,720
and everybody took him seriously because

1187
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:35,460
he was a pilot and the whole world went

1188
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:37,500
crazy I don't see the difference between

1189
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,260
60 years ago no

1190
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:42,780
so if he sees craft and we think he's

1191
00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:45,420
and we and he is he's credible because

1192
00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:48,059
he's a pilot and then the whole world is

1193
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:51,059
you know front page their UFOs are real

1194
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:53,339
over Mount Rainier what's the difference

1195
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,579
between that and you know the only

1196
00:51:01,370 --> 00:50:57,920
difference is that the New York Times

1197
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:01,380
covers it now and mainstream media will

1198
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:03,660
cover it but we're still at the sighting

1199
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,680
stage

1200
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:06,839
we're still at we don't know where it is

1201
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,240
why they're there you know

1202
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:12,240
so far nobody's bombed anybody but again

1203
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:14,099
I'm going to present a question to your

1204
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,680
audience Somebody's Watching what are

1205
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:19,200
they watching nobody's bummed anybody I

1206
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:20,579
mean are you kidding if they were going

1207
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:22,500
to kill us they should have done it back

1208
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:24,680
in ground zero

1209
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:28,859
150 mile radius of radiation 70 000

1210
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:30,780
people were affected

1211
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,720
you know if if they thought we were

1212
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,000
insane it could have happened back then

1213
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,680
why in the world would it happen now I

1214
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:40,800
mean what's the difference 60 70 years

1215
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:43,319
have passed I don't think this is a

1216
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:45,900
national threat but you have to look at

1217
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,660
the agenda it's still sightings

1218
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:51,599
it's still yeah and I and I predict I'm

1219
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:54,420
gonna go on your show predict that the

1220
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:57,180
conflict between Israel and Palestine

1221
00:52:02,569 --> 00:51:59,640
there's going to be sightings

1222
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:02,579
and during Vietnam that's when Clifford

1223
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,460
Stone said they had the most activity

1224
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:07,680
three of his retrieval cases were in

1225
00:52:13,930 --> 00:52:09,000
Vietnam

1226
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:17,390
New Mexico they decided to go and see

1227
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:19,079
this planet we're going to New Mexico

1228
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,240
we're going to Vietnam we're going to

1229
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:24,720
Russia we're going you know it's just

1230
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:27,180
logic it's logic whatever is happening

1231
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:31,980
is happening to get our attention and I

1232
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,460
don't necessarily feel like that's a

1233
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:37,800
huge story when disclosure doesn't

1234
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:40,680
necessarily come out that way it comes

1235
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:44,400
out from meticulous research reading

1236
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:47,099
some books not all YouTube but reading

1237
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,460
some books looking at the scenario and

1238
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:51,900
I'm going to finish by saying put

1239
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,420
together the puzzle the Mosaic there is

1240
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:56,700
a mosaic here and it is not an American

1241
00:53:03,309 --> 00:53:00,180
Mosaic it's a universal Mosaic because

1242
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:03,319
even Russia has had some incidents

1243
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:05,460
potentially it's a multi-universal

1244
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:07,619
mosaic yeah but what I would ask then

1245
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,020
because one thing one thing that and I

1246
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,000
agree that throughout different periods

1247
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:14,460
of history and I'm 35 so I've only seen

1248
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:16,980
so much of it and I'm I'm far newer and

1249
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,540
what I do in this topic than your people

1250
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,119
like yourself and Jack but one thing

1251
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,800
that is happening in the background just

1252
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:24,420
now that hasn't been happening in the

1253
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:26,700
past is we've got the Senate task force

1254
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,980
report potentially about to come out do

1255
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:30,780
you feel that's going to move anything

1256
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:32,579
forward at all in terms of the

1257
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,720
conversation

1258
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:35,760
well for who we're having the

1259
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,559
conversation anyway you and me are

1260
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:39,420
having a conversation everybody's having

1261
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:41,339
a conversation my kids are having a

1262
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:42,900
conversation New York Times having a

1263
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,079
conversation if there's a task force

1264
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:47,760
what I'm most worried about is the

1265
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,220
agenda I mean why so that we can get

1266
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,280
Appropriations for some kind of exotic

1267
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,200
weapons to shoot at them

1268
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:57,839
what is the agenda here it isn't to tell

1269
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,420
the people I don't think it isn't like

1270
00:54:04,809 --> 00:54:01,920
okay we're going to tell the truth

1271
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:04,819
finally all these years

1272
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:08,400
we've not told the truth so we have a

1273
00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:11,420
guilty conscience no there is an agenda

1274
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:14,819
when people please get a clue nobody

1275
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,040
does anything without an agenda I mean

1276
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:21,900
and if the agenda

1277
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:25,559
is one where it becomes a national

1278
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,180
threat

1279
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:30,780
so that we can get Appropriations

1280
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:32,520
you know that's what we did with our

1281
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:34,859
Wars you know I I just talked to Carol

1282
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,020
rosin who said Verna Von Braun said this

1283
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,599
is the last card well it'd be stupid

1284
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:41,579
because these beings have been around

1285
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:42,780
forever and they haven't done anything

1286
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:45,420
so what 2021 they're going to do

1287
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:46,319
something

1288
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:50,160
you know it's we need to use our brains

1289
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:51,000
here

1290
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:58,380
not aware of what it is but I'm

1291
00:55:01,970 --> 00:55:00,420
certainly not thinking this is any kind

1292
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,980
of disclosure

1293
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,319
like what they just decide they're going

1294
00:55:08,569 --> 00:55:06,420
to tell the truth I mean we already know

1295
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:08,579
we talk to everybody I've talked to

1296
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:11,460
Colonel Corso was my main

1297
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,420
um

1298
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,400
probably the big story I ever did

1299
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,839
because I brought Colonel courts to

1300
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,280
Italy because he couldn't speak here

1301
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:19,680
there was a lawsuit against his book

1302
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:21,780
so spending a lot of time with Colonel

1303
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:24,420
Phil of course I realized and he was you

1304
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,760
know Pentagon research and development

1305
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:28,980
that the real secret was being secret

1306
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,180
because of the the the the technology

1307
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:34,920
nobody cares about the CR the creatures

1308
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,220
the inside he was in there or why

1309
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:40,559
they're here the technology the

1310
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:44,280
technology is the secret so if Colonel

1311
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:46,680
course is telling the truth in 1998 what

1312
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,500
are we doing in 2021 thinking it's real

1313
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,500
he told the truth and and the day after

1314
00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:54,000
Roswell

1315
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:56,940
um you know I've dealt with the former

1316
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,920
Defense Minister of Canada who who

1317
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:00,960
called about Corso's book at Clifford

1318
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:04,559
Stone I mean so many uh Dr Edgar

1319
00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:05,880
Mitchell the astronaut was my good

1320
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:07,700
friend we we had a long conversations

1321
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,680
for Me Disclosure is for him talking

1322
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,480
about this what about Gordon Cooper

1323
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,700
that's disclosure

1324
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:17,040
Gordon Cooper said he saw a landing

1325
00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:19,020
during a test well you mean the only

1326
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:20,339
kind of disclosure we think is

1327
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:23,700
disclosure is is one we see gun camera

1328
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:24,900
footage

1329
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:27,660
you know people that have been following

1330
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:30,540
this know that we have had some brave

1331
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:32,579
people tell the truth I don't think

1332
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:34,800
they're going to make a statement now

1333
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:37,740
they can you can get some reports and

1334
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:39,780
you get a batch of reports saying you

1335
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:43,380
know we've had these vehicles around us

1336
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:47,220
yeah forever yet but again

1337
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:50,040
I just uh painted you a scenario of

1338
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:51,540
who's watching

1339
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,740
they're not on vacation

1340
00:56:59,210 --> 00:56:57,660
there's a lot I could go into and talk

1341
00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:59,220
about but that would be selfish because

1342
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:01,140
I have a ton of listener questions here

1343
00:57:05,329 --> 00:57:03,780
and I know we're short on time so if we

1344
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:05,339
could get through as many at with your

1345
00:57:09,049 --> 00:57:07,079
answers being as quick as possible that

1346
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:09,059
would be great for the listeners Paula

1347
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,079
um a lot of really good stuff there

1348
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:12,480
though thank you uh first question was

1349
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:15,720
from Tyler he asks uh Paula yourself and

1350
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:17,819
Jack had purchased a piece of metal from

1351
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:20,040
the craft from another person how did

1352
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:22,020
that person obtain the metal and how did

1353
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:24,180
you verify that the piece of metal was

1354
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:25,740
the same piece the kids took from The

1355
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:26,460
Craft

1356
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,099
we never purchased anything nobody sold

1357
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,480
anything

1358
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:32,280
first of all you got to get off of that

1359
00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:33,900
I mean there's a lot of you know

1360
00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:36,839
misinformation when Remy was alive he

1361
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,480
wanted to sell it he never sold it he

1362
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:41,520
hung on to it and then Jose got it and

1363
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:45,839
Jose gifted it to me he gifted it I put

1364
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:48,839
it in my safe deposit box for two years

1365
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:51,660
uh this is not about making money I I

1366
00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:54,180
didn't know so there was no cash yeah no

1367
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:55,619
I didn't know what to do with that I

1368
00:57:59,569 --> 00:57:57,420
thought oh that's there what am I gonna

1369
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:59,579
do I don't know what to do with it and

1370
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:01,500
then Jacques came along and he said I

1371
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:05,700
have I have a lab I have some labs

1372
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,520
uh that'll and we had cut a piece off

1373
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:10,640
and given it to Jaime al-san in Mexico

1374
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:14,220
so he had had it and James rigney took

1375
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:16,020
it back to Australia to cut some pieces

1376
00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:18,359
off nobody we didn't buy anything from

1377
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:21,180
anybody it so where is it now at a

1378
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,880
university it will be seen by the

1379
00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:26,640
general public in 10 years after we're

1380
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:29,900
gone and it is gifted to a university

1381
00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:32,640
nobody's buying this stuff this is for

1382
00:58:37,789 --> 00:58:34,800
them this is for the people the whole

1383
00:58:43,690 --> 00:58:37,799
story is not ours it's the people's

1384
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,789
because they hit it they hit it I mean

1385
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,440
they hit it I mean

1386
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:51,660
when I talked to Sabrina she told me

1387
00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,579
where they had it she watched them hide

1388
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:55,980
it and she goes they went behind the

1389
00:59:00,589 --> 00:58:58,140
bunk house and they made this hole and

1390
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,599
they hit it and I knew this is a third

1391
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:02,819
winner she said I was watching them and

1392
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:05,640
they hit it and they hit it but they

1393
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:08,339
didn't talk about it because they took

1394
00:59:10,849 --> 00:59:09,119
it

1395
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:10,859
you're not supposed to take anything

1396
00:59:18,349 --> 00:59:15,000
from the inside of a craft you know that

1397
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:18,359
that's going oh my God you know we still

1398
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:20,760
they didn't steal it they just took it

1399
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:23,339
okay they took it

1400
00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:25,559
so the next question from Craig and I

1401
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:27,420
feel this is a a question that's really

1402
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,880
pertinent for yourself as well how did

1403
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:31,920
you feel about the community response

1404
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,440
when the book was being announced a few

1405
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:36,960
weeks ago and a lot of the the comments

1406
00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:38,940
Paula were aimed at yourself because

1407
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:40,680
your name suddenly became attached to

1408
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:44,220
that did you feel any attack from when

1409
00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:46,920
things seem to change for people

1410
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:49,260
that's this a personal question I've

1411
00:59:55,069 --> 00:59:51,660
been attacked uh and I'm kind of hurt

1412
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:55,079
because I've been working for 40 years

1413
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:57,720
with the top level people I've written

1414
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:01,920
five books all witness testimony

1415
01:00:06,589 --> 01:00:04,920
um and done a good job I don't know

1416
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:06,599
what's going on so I can't give you any

1417
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:10,079
hypothesis but I did my job and what

1418
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:12,839
came out was you know that I needed jog

1419
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:15,839
valet to verify my work and that you

1420
01:00:20,809 --> 01:00:19,020
know that I you know that I need all

1421
01:00:24,049 --> 01:00:20,819
these things that I was a piece of a

1422
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,059
windmill that I was peddling a story and

1423
01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:26,160
these are all jealous

1424
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,200
cruel people

1425
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,900
that are out there and unfortunately I

1426
01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:32,700
brought a lot of them to the crash site

1427
01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:37,260
before a magic and people you know are

1428
01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:40,680
not nice I find the UFO Community is not

1429
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:43,380
nice they're not nice Jacques didn't

1430
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:45,900
want to say anything until we got the

1431
01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:49,799
cover the real cover and he was no he

1432
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,099
was nervous that if we put that out

1433
01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:54,960
there that everybody rushed there

1434
01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:57,240
without even reading the book because

1435
01:01:02,210 --> 01:00:59,579
the cover has a map on it

1436
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:02,220
so I agreed with him that he would put

1437
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:03,720
his his

1438
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,420
but I was always involved I was always

1439
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,180
involved from gray one from day one he

1440
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:11,040
just did The Joe Rogan show with that

1441
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,339
but afterwards you know he he told the

1442
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,260
world that it was both of our stories

1443
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:19,380
what I didn't like is that people who

1444
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:20,700
are ignorant

1445
01:01:25,309 --> 01:01:22,740
actually Jacques delay came to me he

1446
01:01:27,230 --> 01:01:25,319
wrote to me I didn't I didn't I started

1447
01:01:30,349 --> 01:01:27,240
working with Alan heinig for six years

1448
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:30,359
and after he died I saw uh you know

1449
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:32,700
because I really suffered I suffered

1450
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:34,980
When Alan heineck died I had never met

1451
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,040
Jacqueline in my later years I never met

1452
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:41,280
him I didn't even look for him uh out of

1453
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:42,839
the Clear Blue Sky he writes about the

1454
01:01:46,670 --> 01:01:44,339
metal he wants to know about the metal

1455
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,680
so that's how I connected with Jacques

1456
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:49,200
ballet he wrote to me uh he didn't even

1457
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:50,640
know I worked for Ellen I don't think

1458
01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:55,740
but uh you know so that it's hurtful to

1459
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:57,000
have gossip

1460
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,059
and then insinuate that that the only

1461
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:02,400
way to get story out is by hooking up

1462
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:05,579
with Jacques this was a kind of thing I

1463
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:08,520
think the ETS knew that we the only way

1464
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,920
we could tell the story is to have the

1465
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:12,480
framework of the atomic bomb and

1466
01:02:17,089 --> 01:02:14,700
everything around it and the analysis of

1467
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:17,099
the metal had to be complete so yeah

1468
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,839
that was a very personal question I

1469
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:20,880
don't like the that's one of the reasons

1470
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:23,220
Andy I don't like doing

1471
01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:26,220
um the UFO sphere I mean it's not very

1472
01:02:31,730 --> 01:02:28,619
nice sometimes and I'm extremely

1473
01:02:34,970 --> 01:02:31,740
professional I am not a media star I do

1474
01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:34,980
not go on television I am not paid you

1475
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:37,859
know but I love the investigative part

1476
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:39,900
somebody says what do you love about

1477
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:42,900
this it's like a detective I mean I just

1478
01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:45,960
found a witness about six months ago I'm

1479
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:49,980
so excited I love doing the work

1480
01:02:56,089 --> 01:02:54,240
and there is no uh support I've never

1481
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:56,099
had anybody support it

1482
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,020
it's come out of my pocket my children

1483
01:03:02,329 --> 01:02:59,760
are angry they want me to go to the

1484
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,339
Bahamas and sit in a hotel and drink my

1485
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,319
ties and they say you're out of your

1486
01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:06,960
mind Mom and I say no this is so

1487
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,339
interesting

1488
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,079
well thank you for answering that one

1489
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:12,480
the next one from Stephen is uh could

1490
01:03:17,089 --> 01:03:15,540
you ask uh Paula if the crash site and

1491
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,099
the new book is the same as the one

1492
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:19,200
Diana pasilka referenced and her

1493
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,819
Dominican Cosmic

1494
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:23,280
she was on the one in battle

1495
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:26,520
you know and she was and Jacques had

1496
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:28,200
been working on that too that was in

1497
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:30,540
battle no no that's a whole other City

1498
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:33,900
no no and this is much more detailed

1499
01:03:38,329 --> 01:03:35,880
than Diana she went down there

1500
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:38,339
blindfolded one time this is nine years

1501
01:03:44,589 --> 01:03:41,940
of going down there it's like sleeping

1502
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:44,599
in you know the Holiday Inn or whatever

1503
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:47,579
having dinner at the same place knowing

1504
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:50,520
all these people no no that was a very

1505
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,500
uh superficial kind of thing and it was

1506
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:55,680
in battle this is somewhere this is this

1507
01:04:01,609 --> 01:03:58,500
is San Antonio we said where it was

1508
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,619
next up from Graham how do you reconcile

1509
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,420
your nuts and bolts approach to the

1510
01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:05,760
Phenomenon with that of Jacques Valley

1511
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:07,559
approaching from a Consciousness point

1512
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:09,420
of view how was that between both of you

1513
01:04:13,549 --> 01:04:11,160
is that something you discussed a lot or

1514
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,559
you're different no it's the other way I

1515
01:04:20,410 --> 01:04:15,119
think Jack has gotten more nuts and

1516
01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:23,089
calmed down calmed down I said but

1517
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:25,140
Consciousness what if it's you know like

1518
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,260
a manifestation calm down let's analyze

1519
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,200
the model because you know it's more the

1520
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,079
other way it's more the other way I have

1521
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:36,720
that's why I work in Latin America now I

1522
01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:40,859
don't work in the states uh I am very

1523
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,319
much a fan of Grant Cameron's and he and

1524
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:45,839
I are walking the same path I started

1525
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,339
with the you couldn't start with more

1526
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:49,920
nuts and bolts and jam a jail and heinek

1527
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:52,260
you couldn't stop that was like putting

1528
01:04:57,410 --> 01:04:55,319
pins and maps and not only that but the

1529
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:57,420
the case and Jacques told me there's the

1530
01:05:02,510 --> 01:04:59,640
changed heinek's mind was is more a case

1531
01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:02,520
because there was you know Footprints

1532
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:05,700
and you know the thing you know made an

1533
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:09,440
indentation and all that so

1534
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:15,000
I had to shift my thinking and I am now

1535
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,180
thinking of what I keep reminding Jacob

1536
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:20,880
I said Jack don't you remember you said

1537
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,380
this was a manifestation of

1538
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:24,839
Consciousness to teach us a lesson and

1539
01:05:30,049 --> 01:05:26,700
then it goes back to the metal I'm going

1540
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:30,059
up it's like okay can you but we're both

1541
01:05:37,069 --> 01:05:33,720
on Consciousness but he is a scientist

1542
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:37,079
this is a scientific book he wants a

1543
01:05:43,789 --> 01:05:38,700
scientific Community to look at the

1544
01:05:47,089 --> 01:05:43,799
method of research he is very very uh

1545
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:47,099
serious about science he's good at it

1546
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,339
I've look he was driving me nuts with

1547
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:52,559
the parts of it where he'd call me and

1548
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:55,200
say okay now call Jose and see how many

1549
01:06:00,109 --> 01:05:58,260
wheels the the the flatbed was and I

1550
01:06:02,569 --> 01:06:00,119
said what difference does that make and

1551
01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:02,579
he'd go I have to get the ton how many

1552
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,859
tons it was and things like I would

1553
01:06:10,190 --> 01:06:07,200
never do that that that's the scientific

1554
01:06:12,770 --> 01:06:10,200
part so I said who cares about how how

1555
01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:12,780
many wheels a thing had of course Jose

1556
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:15,000
who's watching the whole recovery for a

1557
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:17,400
week remembers everything

1558
01:06:23,329 --> 01:06:20,640
so it was a joy a collaboration to work

1559
01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:23,339
with a scientist Jacques valet is a

1560
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:25,380
consummate scientist

1561
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:28,140
final question from David Mesa Loadout

1562
01:06:31,490 --> 01:06:29,940
just give him a running out of time

1563
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:31,500
um you've spent a lot of time with

1564
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,660
Colonel Philip corso and Jack Valley

1565
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:36,240
have either of them ever alluded to how

1566
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:38,099
many crash events have occurred outside

1567
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:40,440
of the US from which materials have been

1568
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:41,760
obtained

1569
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:44,700
no but can I encourage people to get

1570
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:47,640
Ryan Wood's book it's called Magic Eyes

1571
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:51,539
Only it has 93 crashes and and you have

1572
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:52,920
to start reading I don't understand

1573
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,400
people I read all kinds of material to

1574
01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:00,000
to get this uh he's got enumerated he's

1575
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,819
got the 1945 crash in there

1576
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,039
um he even has the Kingman Arizona crash

1577
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:07,319
which is referred to with Dan burrish

1578
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:09,960
you know he has everything in there in

1579
01:07:14,029 --> 01:07:12,119
that book uh I don't know if you can get

1580
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,039
it anymore but

1581
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:17,280
um there have been crashes in other

1582
01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:20,460
places of the world and the one in

1583
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:23,339
Virginia for me is one of the most

1584
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:25,380
interesting that's Virginia Brazil

1585
01:07:30,589 --> 01:07:27,900
because the little beings were not like

1586
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:30,599
we shove people Grays nordics and

1587
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:33,780
reptilians the little the ignorance of

1588
01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:37,020
our way of of researching is incredible

1589
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:40,859
the Virginia case and I did the the work

1590
01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:44,460
with Victoria pacaccini who who came to

1591
01:07:48,890 --> 01:07:46,140
the United States and we talked about it

1592
01:07:52,130 --> 01:07:48,900
extensively in 1997

1593
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:52,140
is a little red is he's he was look like

1594
01:07:57,049 --> 01:07:54,539
he had three protubin says he almost

1595
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:57,059
look like the devil he had red skin they

1596
01:08:03,289 --> 01:08:00,119
had red skin they were little and

1597
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:03,299
um when they went to recover him the

1598
01:08:07,789 --> 01:08:05,700
Americans had taken out the craft but

1599
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,799
the little being was covering against

1600
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,319
the wall and that's when the uh the

1601
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:12,480
policeman Marco Charisse put him on it

1602
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:15,180
on his lap took him to the hospital and

1603
01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:17,400
Marco Charisse died two weeks later of

1604
01:08:21,769 --> 01:08:19,319
tumors because you can't just pick up a

1605
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:21,779
little being who might have some kind of

1606
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:24,359
biological different if people would

1607
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,060
read the Virginia case that the

1608
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Americans took out the craft because I

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01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:32,520
think the deal is that that there is a

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deal where American America is the first

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one to do the crash retrieval don't ask

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me where the craft went or who what or

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01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,940
who's dealing with this right now but

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01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:43,679
when I was talking to Clifford Stone he

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01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:45,540
told me that one of the last crashes was

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in Georgia you know the state of Georgia

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01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:50,339
and I was going you can't getting and he

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01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:53,880
goes no he says and and do they then the

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01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,100
next question is why do they crash well

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01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,279
who knows are they even like ours or

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01:09:05,209 --> 01:09:01,679
theirs and then you really get into it

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01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:05,219
you know who is in there and who made it

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01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,239
and all this I have no definitive

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01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:11,279
answers but will people start using

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01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:14,100
their brains and do some research

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okay Paula will finish off with a

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quackfire round I've got a few things I

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01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,279
would like you to touch on a shot at as

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01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:22,560
long on each one as you want the first

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01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,259
one is your thoughts on Steven Greer

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01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:27,359
he's the only one who walks his talk he

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01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:29,339
did the disclosure project his heart is

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01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:32,279
in the right place uh I helped him with

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01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:36,179
the ali uh the military people in Italy

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01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:37,799
um the disclosure project to open the

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01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:40,980
doors uh and then I have been with him

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01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:44,460
on the ce5s and uh I think his heart is

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01:09:48,289 --> 01:09:46,259
in the right place however there's a lot

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01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:48,299
of controversy there

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01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:51,600
do you think he has ever faked any of

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01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:54,360
those ce5 events no no I've been on four

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01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:57,239
of them oh my God I mean watch the movie

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01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:01,199
serious we were in crestone in this huge

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01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:03,300
crestone is the darkest place on Earth

1645
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:05,940
in Colorado there's this huge UFO that

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01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:07,620
came over and we were that's the only

1647
01:10:11,570 --> 01:10:09,719
time I've ever cried actually it was

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01:10:13,550 --> 01:10:11,580
over our heads and stayed there for a

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01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,560
few minutes I mean this is after like an

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01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:15,600
hour and a half of meditation and then

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01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:18,660
two f-16s came and chased it away it

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01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:21,480
just it just went zip

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01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:23,340
and it's in the beginning of the film

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01:10:27,950 --> 01:10:26,280
Sirius it's in the beginning the very

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01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,960
beginning you see it then you see the

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01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:30,960
f-16s come in I don't think those Pilots

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01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:34,020
knew knew that they were going after a

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01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:37,080
UFO they were given coordinates

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01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:40,920
uh the next one is Skinwalker Ranch

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01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:42,780
yeah that's a paranormal that should be

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01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:44,040
studied

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01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:45,900
the your thoughts on the Wilson Davis

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01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,940
documents I don't know anything about

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01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,199
them

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01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,880
do you believe they're real

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01:10:55,610 --> 01:10:53,280
how can I say that when I haven't read

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01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:55,620
them don't know anything about them I

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01:11:02,090 --> 01:10:57,900
don't know anything about them

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01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:02,100
uh do you prefer the term UFO or UAP

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01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:09,169
you can name 50 million different uh you

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01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:10,739
know

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01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:16,260
names for aerial phenomena uh

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01:11:23,890 --> 01:11:19,800
I don't use UFO very often what do you

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01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:23,900
like are you AP I you know just craft

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01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,199
just craft I mean well I don't anymore

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01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:29,760
Andy we can't tell if it's ours or

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01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:30,780
theirs

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01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:33,900
so it's just craft I don't know whose it

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01:11:38,330 --> 01:11:36,060
is anymore

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01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:38,340
and the last one Paula is what does

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01:11:43,970 --> 01:11:41,340
disclosure mean to you

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01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:43,980
well because I have a master's in

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01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:47,400
education I'd like it to be uh the study

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01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,880
of uh of the visitation on planet Earth

1685
01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:53,520
and not call it disclosure I mean

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01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:56,780
disclosure happened way back when I I

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01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,060
I've talked to the people not only in

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01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:02,400
the 1945 case but when they were alive

1689
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:05,400
Walter hot I spoke to Walter hot I spoke

1690
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,980
to Glenn Dennis who was a mortician so

1691
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:09,840
people are telling the truth where you

1692
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:12,179
know I if you bother to do it it's not

1693
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:14,100
your opinion it shouldn't be your

1694
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,860
opinion based on nothing it should be a

1695
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,480
study where you go down and speak to the

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01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:20,880
people or you should read the original

1697
01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:24,420
uh material from The Source read the

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01:12:29,209 --> 01:12:27,239
original material a source material as a

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01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:29,219
teacher if you gave me a paper and you

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01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:31,800
were quoting YouTube I give you a D

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01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:34,500
minus minus minus you got to read

1702
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,239
something you got to talk to somebody

1703
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:38,400
I'd say pick up a phone when anybody

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01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:40,620
ever asks me about a case I say pick up

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01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:41,880
the phone

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01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,640
talk to them go down there

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01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:46,320
Paula it's been great speaking with you

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01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,820
I'll just let everyone know that Trinity

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01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:49,679
the best kept secret co-authored by

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01:12:52,910 --> 01:12:51,060
yourself and Jacque Valley is available

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01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:52,920
now and I would just ask people if

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01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:54,600
you're picking up consider supporting

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your local bookstores because they are

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obviously struggling during the pandemic

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and everything as well but you all know

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01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:01,080
when it's available and I'll put some

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01:13:04,970 --> 01:13:03,060
links on the description as well thanks

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01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,980
very much for your time Paula thank you

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01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:06,960
and it's available on Amazon now so you

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01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,420
can get it oh that'll be in the likes

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books cheers Paula all right Folks at

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see

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like Alice was playing

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[Music]

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I can't imagine

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foreign

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[Music]

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what's that is saucer

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[Music]

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foreign

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much better

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